Darryl, I actually want to hear all about your rudder system- just not in this thread. People who are looking for rudder information will likely skip this thread and the information will be lost to them. For my rudder systems, I've got two sets of Dotan Sampson 25s and two sets of Hobie 14s. Likely I'll make the mounts set for the Hobie 14 system and adjust the Dotans to fit. Then I can run whatever system will hold up better. The Dotans won't hold up at all on my G-Cat 5.7M, but I think the F14 is just the boat for them.