I don't trust smiles and grins. They are often used to mask what the person truly means or thinks.

In the case of my grandchildren it is totally untrue, though. They are immersed in all the traditional team sports, and I think that's great.

They live only blocks from Lake Erie, but to get a boat down the stairs to the beach would be difficult unless it was very small and light, so my daughter and the children could carry it.

We ARE talking about basically a "toy" boat for kids to play around on and get them interested in sailing when they go to the beach with an onshore wind.

I still don't see any conflict with Wouter's design for the older and more experienced youth sailors. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />