From Rick#1:
Hey, I have an idea. For the F12 Class I have this great design that can be home built and the first design was conceived in 1968.
It can be made of plywood at home. You can make your own sails and all.
And it is only 20 Ft long -- The Tornado. Heck it is only 8 ft longer than the 12' limit, but is is faster and can beat a Hobie 16.
Kids will love it!
No untrustworthy Graemlins from me!
Rick
From Rick#2:
BY the way, The Wave at 13' with a bowsprit and roller furling Hooter is almost as fast as the H16. Add a trapeze and two kids would have a ball on a very substantial, bullet-proof, and very buoyant craft.
Rick
From Rick#3:
Been busy but wanted to reply to the Wave Pooh-Pooh Poster. Wow, whoever quoted the prices on that makes it sound like it should be racing with the A-Class Boys -- don't know how you could get the price up that high, but you did.
First of all, there are already a zillion Waves around and used Waves can be acquired at very reasonable prices. To add the Hooter does require spending some money to nearly double the sail power. Granted! But, it would still be as inexpensive as any other proposed boat here in the long run.
Add the fact that for kids this boat would be indestructible. They could hit sea walls and pilings and still keep on ticking like the Energizer Bunny.
And only 2 inches longer than the proposed F12 box rule proposed herein. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />
Rick
Rick, I am offended by your name calling. I went out of my way to be diplomatic in my post. My point was that the boats are not comparable. Your point was why we need this boat? Just buy a wave; it is high performance with a hooter. My point, they are two very different boats.
After my lazy post (not checking the price of your hooter), I went there and I grossly underestimated the cost of a wave hooter the package is $1,928.50 (plus shipping) which itself is 64% of the cost of the F12. You can’t compare a used wave (old sails, lines, tramp) to a new boat, that is where I got the numbers (from a dealer). I do have to add the beach wheels to the F12 estimate.
Wave with Hooter Cost
item cost
Boat 4,295
Hobie Delivery Fee 200
Trailer 550
Tax 403.6
Hooter System 1,928.50
Shipping estimate 75
Beach Wheels 419
Shipping estimate 75
Total 7,946
F12 Cost
item cost
Boat 3000
Beach Wheels 419
Shipping estimate 75
Total 3494
Difference 227%
I mean, read the sprit of your posts. In another boats’ forum? And you resort to name calling? After I used real quotes I have received?
Why?
