Mark and Luiz,

While I agree with your points I think it is passed station at this time.

The others simply won't read these updates and brush then aside as more "useless mathematics". Several have even admitted to this by their own admission of never having read the F12 website.

Basically they have set their minds and trying to convince them of anything else is now a pointless endeavour, so why try ?

We can much better spend our own time on designing the craft we want.

I invite you two to decide which project you find most attractive and contact the leading persons to help out further.

I'll continue with my own F12 design along the lines I have layed out in the past, I'll probably rename it.

I extend the invitation to all other interested people as well.

Wouter