Originally Posted by Mark Schneider
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The truth is - a two-party system isn't really that Democratic when you think about it..


I agree... (small d democratic)

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if the politicians understood that they are there for the people they represent not their or their party's self interest.

The devil in all of this political organizational stuff is... an attempt to answer "what do you do about human self interest when you try to govern".

So, exactly WHO do these politicians represent. you say they don't represent the people...

I understand and can identify a real estate developers self interest.... a teacher's self interest, a miner's self interest, a pornographers self interest. I have NO idea what the "peoples" interest is.
I can see how a politician represents my interest as a ____ .
I can ID interests for any group in the country.... eg beach access for small catamaran sailors.
But... How does that self interest work with the "People's" interest.


My view is that Trump was crystal clear about who's interest he represented in the election... He is on TV now talking about his group of voters and how he will turn it around for them ...
Now of course... Tomorrow, he will be trying to obfuscate that stand and say... he is for the people's interest..

same as Obama, Same as Bush, Same as Clinton, Same as Bush, Same as Reagan, Same as Carter, same as Ford, same as Nixon, same as Johnson.

Can you say... ANY of these presidents served the "people's interest in anything but name only... No!... they favored and disparaged lots of things.... and BS'd that as it was for the people's interest.

It's trivial to find opinion and many a fact on how each of these guys did not serve the "people's " interest....

So... I think the people's interest is a unicorn... and we would love to live in the fairy tale world of unicorns.

Seems to me...stop the fairy tale about the "people's interest" and just get down and fight it out...Put it out there... your self interest is XXX and as far as you are concerned... THAT is the people's interest.

Now if you want to talk about principals and values... see the voting rights debate above.


My interest is what is going on in my back yard - city and county government, and at my state's legislature... that is the stuff that is going to an effect on me everyday.. These are the politics that 99% of the electorate are asleep at the switch on.